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[Shadowmoon]

A Lemming worm, and its an entry for the june FAOTM in the team17.tk forum.

Last time, i overreacted when people gave me help. I won't do it this time.

I use flash for most of my pics, and i draw my worms in flash with the mouse, but in paint i do it with the line tool.

Requests won't be taken right now.

More pics coming soon.

[Plasma]

1: Don't use straight line tool.

Now we get to watch you ignore all tips and get the thread locked again!

[.JeT]

Well, as it looks now, the worm is all good besides the tail, which is a little flat. Even though it has a shirt there seems to be no fold present on the tail, too.

[Shadowmoon]

Originally Posted by Plasma

1: Don't use straight line tool.

Now we get to watch you ignore all tips and get the thread locked again!

Originally Posted by Me

Last time, i overreacted when people gave me help. I won't do it this time.

I will listen to people this time. Also i forgot the crease on the tail.

Mouse drawn worms with paint always look weird which is why i don't do them.

[Squirminator2k]

Heavens. It's actually getting worse.

Okay, here's some constructive criticism. The colours are flat, your expressionless worm is expressionless. The tail shows minor improvement but the eyebrows are worse. Is that hair or a shrubbery? Is that a pick-axe or one of those tiny doctor hammers? Are those eyes or goggles? Remember that straight lines seldom look right or good, and that's more or less where you're getting this wrong.

It is possible to draw good stuff in MSPaint, it's all about technique. Take [this], for example. Or [this]. Or [this]. I drew all of those with a mouse in MSPaint while I was at work a few of years ago. The first one is my favourite - I experimented with different line colours.

[Shadowmoon]

Compare. Tell me which is better, my paint pics or the flash pics.

[Plasma]

Use flash.

[Shadowmoon]

Originally Posted by Plasma

Use flash.

Okay, flash will be my main choice of program.

Most of the criticism in my thread was that the worm looked like a robot and also about the hands and fire.

[.JeT]

I have made a little try into what direction you should go.


First: The tail. This way i would do the bulge seems real, and is easy to do. Just do an upside down U shape at where the bend is. The tail should also have a nice curve.

The head needs more shape and definition, as well as the eyes and eyebrows. The eyebrows are too big, and the head is a bit too square. The eyes are too round and alike, even if his head is watching the right way.

Also, make more poses and expressions. When he works with a pickaxe, maybe he should look tired and uneasy, maybe have a little sweatdrop jump from him like on the picture.

(Sorry for bad quality)

There's just this bit where S2K said, the colors might seem too vivid. Try making them darker, desaturate them.

[Squirminator2k]

Except .JeT's hands and tail-fold on that drawing aren't ideal, but you get the general idea.

[Shadowmoon]

How do i desaturate them?

[Melon]

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

How do i desaturate them?

What he's basically trying to say is that the colours clash. Lots of bright colours next to each other, especially on a white background, is pretty painful to look at. Try making the colours a bit greyer/darker etc.

Here's some nice advice. Look at the grey shape in this image. It's a rough "underdrawing" sketch that helps when drawing heads. The line across the middle is the eye line, and the one from top to bottom is the centre of the face. By putting this in different places, it can help you draw the face from ANY angle. Note how effective it is for the human face. I've then applied the same technique to the worm, and he looks much more life-like because of it. It might help to practice this technique sometime.

[TeDdywoRm]

I use that technique sometimes... Anyway, there's one more(optional) thing with the eyes:

Some advice 1.png

You can use the elipse tool, but you should erase the lines on the middle. It's pretty much like one of the concept arts in Worms 3D.

[Gardy Looo]

I see you took inspiration by my thread title.
The thing that bothers me the most are the expressions, take a mirror, do an expressions, observe the eyebrows, eyelids, mouth. Implement. Exaggerate. [sp?]
Also, try not to make clothes like they were drawn on simply. They're clothes, not the worm's skin.

[Kelster23]

Eraser tool and redrawing is your friend.

[tal05]

in dont know if anyones asked before but have you ever tried hand-drawn fan-art?

[Shadowmoon]

Originally Posted by tal05

in dont know if anyones asked before but have you ever tried hand-drawn fan-art?

Yes, i did post one once.

[tal05]

I haven't seen it so can you link it to me please? or tell me what thread?

[Shadowmoon]

Originally Posted by tal05

I haven't seen it so can you link it to me please? or tell me what thread?

Shadowmoon's art.

[AndrewTaylor]

Originally Posted by Plasma

1: Don't use straight line tool.

I knew a guy once who'd use it exclusively. There were a few angles that were annoying in his pictures, but he'd use lots of short lines, and just used it to get around the problems of using the paintbrush tool -- which were that back then all mice were dreadful. This was before optical mice.

Of course, the ellipse tool is an Abomination unto Steve and should never be used under any circumstance, except perhaps for speech bubbles. Aside from the fact that worms' eyes have never been circular or elliptical, it limits you a lot: you can't do worms at an angle, for example, and you can't be expressive with them. Altering the shape of the eyes is important, and that means changing more than the aspect ratio.

Originally Posted by Plasma

Now we get to watch you ignore all tips and get the thread locked again!

Come on. I think it's only fair to extend some benefit-of-the-doubt here.

[Kelster23]

Hm, question to Shadowmoon: you ever tried scanning/taking pictures of you hand-drawn art, then going over it again in Flash and coloring it?

[tal05]

your hand drawn pictures are better than these pictures and i think you should consider kelster's idea.

[Shadowmoon]

1. I don't have a scanner.

2. I now have a digital camera, but it needs new batteries.

[yakuza]

I thought I told you that the thumb had to be closest finger to the body, generally. But you still drawing the hands wrong. Don't get it.

[Shadowmoon]

Originally Posted by yakuza

I thought I told you that the thumb had to be closest finger to the body, generally. But you still drawing the hands wrong. Don't get it.

I don't get what you mean either, though.

[Pigbuster]

He means that the hand should look like this:

[Shadowmoon]

I went to my local shop to get some batteries, and here's another hand drawn pic...



(Sorry for bad quality)

EDIT: Image temporarily removed for size maintenance.

[Melon]

Not only is that picture out of focus, it's also absolutely MASSIVE. Try linking to it instead of attaching it as an img tag.

Otherwise, it seems you draw much better on paper. You've still got that awkward "eyes in the middle of the head but mouth to the side" thing going on though.

[shadowman]

And the tail is still completely wonky.

[Shadowmoon]

Here's the smaller version.....